MLM (multi-level marketing), pyramid schemes and the Sunrider International SCAM (Day 40)

Dawn of the Magical 40

Dawn of the Magical 40

My morning routine was the same as usual, with the exception of a booking I had with Nengi the lead personal trainer from BeFitToday.co.uk. The day I went to Speakers Corner at Marble Arch I met two very interesting people who were offering me two potential avenues to explore opportunities that could well upgrade my detox experience to the next level. The first person was Nengi who was offering one free 1 hour personal training session, and the other was the IBO who was singing the praises of the nutritional benefits of the products he was promoting and the opportunity to generate an income from getting involved with them too. Both follow up events happened to be taking place today – the fortieth day of my detox!  

If you’ve read my previous post you will have come across my mother’s practice of repeating certain prayers to 40 days to get a result on the 40th or 41st day, a practice that has variations amongst many cultures including Zoroastrians and Jews. As my detox lasted an additional 2 days, I would say the days to look out for any siginificant changes would be the 40th day, 41st day, 42nd day and 43rd day. Days 40 and 41 (day after the fortieth) because of its prevelance in many mystical traditions. Days 42 (the day my detox actually ended) and 43 (because it was the day after the completion of the actual detox). 

My weight, body fat, body water and body muscle readings during the 42 days of this detox and 12 days after completing the detox

My weight, body fat, body water and body muscle readings during the 42 days of this detox and 12 days after completing the detox

When I realised that both appointments happened to be landing on the 40th day of the detox, you can imagine the wonder, curiosity and excitement I was feeling about what could potentially transpire as a result of both meetings. Could these two meetings be a mystical response to my 40 day detox? Could it be a “sign” that they were both doors opening to paths I should walk down to continue on this journey? Were these two synchronistic appointments the Universe responding to me via the Law of Attraction? Was this The Secret at work? Was it God, telling me “Ali, this is the way forward…” I had all these thoughts rushing around in my head. But at the same time I also knew that in the past when I have blindly followed the signals of synchronistic events they haven’t always gone according to the positive outcomes I had originally assumed they signified. Though, looking back at those experiences that seemed negative at first hand, I can say from hindsight, in the long term, they did lead to an awakening and an overall acceleration in the evolving of my perspective of reality. It has been my experience that sometimes synchronicity takes you by your hand, gives you a club and guides you in smashing to pieces your current idols of belief from which your present Weltanschauung has been constructed. How to respond to both potential opportunities was therefore a little confusing as I wasn’t really in the mood for anything too dramatic. I would prefer to understand from afar what to do, rather than go down a route that I could later regret (even if the regret was temporary)!  

My hour or so session with Nengi was very interesting. He measured my body fat percentage on his scale. My reading was 1% less than the scales I use at home. Get in! He said that he found his scales quite accurate as when he’s had his body fat checked by a professional (callipers perhaps) both his scale and the other method showed similar results. But at the same time he agreed as long as you keep your method of measuring your body fat percentage consistent and regular you will notice when your body fat is going up or down in a useful way which you can then use to your fitness benefit by making adjustments in your diet and exercise regimen. We then headed to Valentines Park for an example of the kind of things he’d be getting me doing if I were to book him as a Personal Trainer. 

 

After about half an hour I had a splitting headache. I also noticed my shoulders and neck were stiff and my nostrils were constricted making it harder for me to breath through my nose.  The workout was challenging, but not enough to make me sweat, so I’m not sure if the symptoms were caused by the physical activity or as a result of the lack of Omega 3’s in my diet – no fish, and for some reason I hadn’t replaced my flaxseed oil during the detox either! It was a painful experience. At the end of the session Nengi agreed to look into vegan and meat eating diet plans for my fitness goals, plus send me further information in regards to twice weekly group fitness activity events starting the following week. 

White dal, brown lentils and buckwheat

White dal, brown lentils and buckwheat

Post workout I ate white dal, brown lentils and buckwheat for lunch.  

The Magic Corn stand at The Mall in Ilford

The Magic Corn stand at The Mall in Ilford

Magic Corn

Magic Corn

A couple of hours later I snacked on some sweetcorn whilst out at the Shopping Mall.  

Later in the evening I, Naadira and Zar had agreed to attend a Sunrider event at their headquarters in London, thanks to an invite from the IBO. The IBO said we were lucky to be invited as Wendy Teng (formerly Wendy Chen) the VP of Marketing and daughter of Dr. Tei-Fu Chen and Dr. Oi Lin Chen the founders, Chairman and President of Sunrider International, a multi-million (maybe even billion) dollar company. I couldn’t have organised an event like that on the 40th day of my detox if I had tried! So when I went, I went with an open mind, open to the possibility of purchasing their products and maybe even recommending them (after trying them myself first), or joining their business opportunity if it sounded like it was a fair deal (again only after trying their products myself first and getting my personal approval).  

When we arrived the IBO was there demonstrating how good their Fortune Delight herbal beverage was at cleansing out oil from inside one’s digestive system by getting us to rub vegetable oil on our hands then busting open the Fortune Delight sachet and rubbing our hands with the contents, then rinsing with water. See photos of the Sunrider Product Fair here. Did the process get rid of the grease? Not that well. And I did wonder if it would have had the same effect if I had simply rinsed my hands with water? There were a few things that attracted me to check out the Sunrider product fair. There was the fact that I personally like doing things that have a positive impact in the world. I have more social entrepreneurial tendencies rather than just entrepreneurial tendencies, and if there was the possibility of generating a living while doing that why not? Another thing that attracted me was how healthy the IBO looked when we first met him. He had a glow from within. I got the impression that the wonderful health-conscious products of this company, based on old Chinese herbal secrets, was at least, partly responsible. Not only that, he also seemed like a really genuine and nice guy. I like these attributes in a person. But then I noticed his colleague who was also working on the same table. She was quite overweight. If you’re going to be promoting the excellence of your health products – it helps if you’re in shape. Just an observation on my part. Then I looked around at the other people who worked for or distributed Sunrider products. I wanted to see evidence of people glowing from within and in shape just like the IBO. To me this is the biggest evidence you can give in support of the health claims of the products you’re promoting. If people are overweight, pale and generally look ill then the chances are this is a reflection of an unbalanced diet and/or lifestyle. So did I see people glowing from within? No. The IBO was one exception, and I now believe this is due to his overall “fitness fanatic” attitude to nutrition and exercise in general and not specifically due to the “wonders” of Sunrider products.  

At the time, these doubts were not so well pronounced. I continued to explore the product fair and hear Wendy Teng speak with an open and positive mind towards the possibility of trying their products or working with Sunrider. At one table they were demonstrating SunSmile® Fruit & Vegetable Rinse. This was perhaps the most interesting demonstration. They had two bowls of water: one ordinary tap water, the other, tap water with the Vegetable Rinse mixed in it. They then had a tray with broccoli on it. They put a piece of broccoli in each bowl for a few seconds and then pulled them out. The visual difference was staggering. The broccoli that had been rinsed in just tap water looked dull and clearly had a white residue on it (I was later told this was wax used to increase the shelf life of non-organic fresh produce) while the broccoli that was rinsed in the vegetable rinse came out vibrant with colour with the wax washed off. That demonstration did look pretty good. And had me tempted for a bit. Then the gentleman who was doing the demonstration said that the vegetable rinse would get rid of all kinds of things including pesticides. Wait a minute… Pesticides? How will the cosmetic cleaning of the surface of a vegetable that’s been sprayed with pesticides remove the pesticides? Sure it might remove it from the surface, but wouldn’t the pesticides have been absorbed into the fruit or vegetable in question? So even if you clean it from the outside you’re still likely to consume the pesticide by eating it regardless aren’t you? I mean isn’t the effect of pesticides so far and wide that we are told to limit our consumption of fish to twice-a-week thanks to pesticides running into the water supply which then gets absorbed by the fish which can then be absorbed by us?! So surely it would be far better to eat organic rather than use fancy and expensive cleaning methods (a 475ml bottle will set you back £26.66!) to avoid consuming pesticides if it is a concern for you. If I could afford it I would definitely opt for organic. I’ve just discovered that a similar far more prudent way to wash the wax of vegetables is to scrub them with dish washing liquid then rinse!  

Wendy Teng VP Marketing and daughter of Dr Chen, CEO of Sunrider International

Wendy Teng VP Marketing and daughter of Dr Chen, CEO of Sunrider International

After the product fair came the presentation by Wendy Teng. She spoke about many things and as most of the people present were “IBOs” (Independent Business Owners = Sunrider speak for distributors) from the UK, the Netherlands, Sweden, and Switzerland most of the audience seemed at awe at how lucky they were to be in the presence of Wendy the daughter of Dr Chen the man who had given them the gift of health and wealth out of the goodness of his heart. I however, was curious, and had some questions I wanted answered that popped up in my head while she gave her presentation. I was polite and waited until she finished before firing away with my questions.  

Beverly Hills Formula Total Enamel Sensitive Toothpaste 125ml / 170g

Beverly Hills Formula Total Enamel Sensitive Toothpaste 125ml / 170g

At one point Wendy spoke about how conventional toothpaste has many poisons in it and that their toothpaste was superior as it didn’t contain any of these toxins. She specifically mentioned fluoride, which I myself have written about in this blog. I pointed out that most researchers agree that digesting fluoride is a bad idea, however topically applying it to the teeth is good for the teeth (even most opponents of fluoride will agree with this). However even if I agreed with their perspective and wanted to buy Sunrider’s “superior” toxin free toothpaste I asked “How competitively was it priced?” The response was that the SunSmile® Herbal Toothpaste including VAT was £10.66 (and that’s before the rise in VAT this week!). “How much?!” That’s right! I almost literally fell off my seat and really needed someone to repeat the price to me. The IBO was quick to qualify that its size was bigger (135g) than a standard toothpaste bottle and that it was a lot more concentrated than ordinary toothpaste so you only need to use a tiny bit each time you brushed your teeth. At the time I didn’t know what a standard size was (its not exactly the kind of figure I keep in my head). It’s hard to compare as toothpastes usually come measured in ml rather than grams.  My herbal toothpaste is 100ml and was already quite expensive at nearly £4. I also have Beverly Hills Formula, a high-end tootpaste that is 125ml and 170g (bigger than Sunrider’s toothpaste) which can be bought for around £2-£3. There is no justification for charging over £10 for a standard-sized toothpaste! 

I have a full price list of Sunrider products in front of me and can tell you that the prices are what I can only say seem to me as being extortionate – unless you believe their claim that they are so highly superior and concentrated that the prices are worth every penny. In September 2010: their range of Calli teas range from £5.60-£7.56 for 10×2.5g sachets (that’s 56-76p per tea sachet!). Their 60g deodorant stick is £9.25. Compare that to the price and size of deodorants on the open market.  

MLM Pyramid Structure

MLM Pyramid Structure

I asked Wendy if when you become an IBO are you tied into their products i.e. if I opened up a health store or an online shop would I have to only promote Sunrider products or could I sell the products of other brands alongside them? She responded quite diplomatically that Sunrider IBOs do not sell the products of other brands simultaneously. I then said to her, “But could they if they wanted to?” Again she avoided answering me directly. The IBO then helped rephrase my question and said I think what Ali is asking: “Are there any rules in the contract that forbid IBOs from selling the products of other brands?” She said that she wasn’t sure and someone else said that they didn’t think there was any such clause. One of the IBOs in the audience who was sat a few rows in front me then turned around and said to me: “Why would you want to promote other brands? Have you tried Sunrider products? They are the best nutritional products on the market and once you’ve tried them you wouldn’t go back to anything else let alone want to promote anything else.” Either she was speaking the truth or this company had a cult-like following where Mr Chen was the Pharoah sat on a throne at the top of the pyramid while these guys were his loyal pyramid builders. But no! It’s not a pyramid scheme, such things are illegal in the UK… I was assured that it was a “Direct Marketing Company”. Despite the pyramid looking structure to their business model they insist it is not a pyramid scheme. See the scan I’ve done of a copy of a slide that Wendy presented that day and now compare it to what it says here about the legality of multi-level marketing companies.  

Sunrider MLM pyramid structure: note the need to "buy" products each month and an emphasis on finding more recruits who will do the same

Sunrider MLM pyramid structure: note the need to "buy" products each month and an emphasis on finding more recruits who will do the same

And note the words from America’s Federal Trade Commission Alert (I recommend clicking on the link and reading through the whole alert as it seems to me to describe Sunrider International to a Tee):   

Watch Out For Pyramids

“Steer clear of multilevel marketing plans that pay commissions for recruiting new distributors. They’re actually illegal pyramid schemes.  

Why is pyramiding dangerous? Because plans that pay commissions for recruiting new distributors inevitably collapse when no new distributors can be recruited. And when a plan collapses, most people-except perhaps those at the very top of the pyramid-end up empty-handed.” 

I can’t comment on the quality of their products as I haven’t tried them over an extended period of time. It’s possible that Sunrider’s products are very good, but it’s also very possible the IBOs convince themselves that the products and the company is THAT GOOD as it suits their business interests. I would be happy to do a 40 day trial of their products and blog about my experience (if the products are supplied courtesy of Sunrider). If they are amazing, I will state that to be so. If they are crap I will say so too. I also have no ethical hang ups about people earning commission from products sold to consumers who are sold something at a competitive price or even earning commission on sales generated by customers that are introduced from the customers you introduced (multi-level). What I have issue with is: 

  1. the extortionate pricing;
  2. the fact that you don’t have enough faith in your products (or pricing) to have them sold side by side with other brands on the same shelf or online store;
  3. the requirement for each distributor to “purchase” €100 to €200 worth of extortionately priced products each month in order to be eligible for commission;
  4. and an emphasis on finding other distributors who also pay in €100 to €200 per month into the pyramid scheme!

I also wonder if schemes like this have an exit strategy? If you spend 20 years building a business as a distributor it would be nice to be able to sell your business onto someone else if you no longer wanted to be a part of it or simply want to retire. That’s what you can do with a normal business. If you can’t do that with an MLM “business” then it’s not a real business is it? Instead you’re more like a sales contractor who only earns a commission, but with the additional catch that you must contribute to the pot of gold with monthly purchases. 

Not even being employed as a salesperson on a 100% commission basis do you get such a raw deal. You’re not expected to purchase the company’s products on a monthly basis in order to be eligible to continue to earn a commission on sales that you have generated for the company. What if you don’t want the products for a particular month? Lets take the lowest monthly purchase required: €100. That’s £84 per month for food. To put that figure into perspective: I currently buy a whole bowl of fresh fruit or veg for £1. For £20 I can buy 20 bowls of fresh fruit and vegetables which is easily more than enough for two of us for the whole month. For £84 I could buy 84 bowls of fresh fruit and veg! It really is ridiculous! 

So the question is how do companies like this continue to operate and make their founders incredibly wealthy for quite an extended period of time despite their questionable business model? Well if the photos of Dr Chen at the London Sunrider HQ are anything to go by (there are photos of him with almost every US President in recent years that I can think of and even one with Arnold Schwarzenegger the Governor of California); the large amounts of money they make; the fact that the majority of human beings are good decent people who are truthful and have faith in others; and the human tendency to seek someone wiser and more knowledgeable (particularly someone who allegedly has exclusive secret information or an exclusive ”higher link”) who will  tell them what to do with their life: the factors that leads to their continued success can easily be seen. It is a formula for success that selfish yet charismatic people have used for thousands of years to build their monarchies, empires, organised religions and monopolies. It’s not that difficult to do. You just need to be a lying, two-faced C%$T to do it. It’s something that has gone on since humans have walked the Earth. This manipulation of people is something that even Plato alludes to in The Republic when he quotes Socrates’ simile of the cave over two thousand years ago. 

If I had any doubts about the “social entrepreneur” nature of Dr Chen I just had to Google Sunrider and Dr Chen and the kinds of things he’s been convicted of in the past to realise he is not the opportunity-giving angel he promotes himself to be. And it seems the health and wellness industry is filled with many characters like this. So please be wary. Of course there are good people involved in the health industry too. There are people and organisations who not only genuinely would like the world to be a healthier place, but also deal in complete honesty and fairness when it comes to generating a revenue from this industry. 

I would like to say to the IBO, if you’re reading this, I want you to know that I do genuinely like you very much. For that reason I was in two minds about writing this piece. But once I start writing, how I see things just flows out. I think you’re great, but Sunrider’s business model seems to me highly questionable. 

Having said all that, it seems I appear on the Sunrider blog.

 
January 6th, 2011
40 Day Detox Diary
  • http://www.lifesnaturalpleasures.com Jessica

    Hi there :) I read your article, you do have some valid points. I wanted to speak from the view of having tried the Sunrider foods myself after years and years of health problems (Im only 23). In the past 5 months my health has improved in ways I never imagined. I have always been a very health person, passionate about health and nutrition, tried everything I could get my hands on, spend thousands over the years on supplements, vitamins, acupuncture, diets, ect…nothing worked. I cant even put to words the change in my body and my family’s bodies since incorporating Sunrider. I do hope you do the 40 day challenge, you will not regret it at all! Here are some testimonies you can read from me, my cousin, and a friend of mine. http://lifesnaturalpleasures.wordpress.com/2011/01/09/sunrider-nutrition-testimonies-updated/I promise, I was very very skeptical at first, but I have seen firsthand the truth and power in these products, its amazing! Just thought I would share :)

    • http://www.40daydetox.com Ali Zaidi

      Hey Jessica,

      Thanks for stopping by. I’m glad you found some relief from Sunrider’s products.

      I’d be happy to do a 40 day Sunrider challenge… on the condition that Sunrider provides the products for the 40 day period for free. I insist on that simply because I don’t want to feel duped into buying products I feel are ridiculously expensive.

      Now would be a great time to do it as I’ve just started a 120 day fat loss competition with over 40 friends and family.

      • http://www.lifesnaturalpleasures.com Jessica

        Hi Ali,
        I wish I had tons of money and could pay for you to do a 40 day challenge with Sunrider because I am sure it would benefit you incredibly. Unfortunately, I dont :( . When you look at all the ingredients in each Sunrider food and take into account the incredible quality it is SO worth the money. Especially when it comes to preventing serious illness and disease. To eat all organic, fruits, veggies, meats, eggs, milk, flours, grains, everything that has been so contaminated these days, it is very expensive, and we still rarely know the quality of the ” organic” foods we buy at the supermarket. Many are still nutrient depleted due to the soil. The pounds of herbal foods that is in one scoop of nuplus or one tea bag of Cali is a very good value for the nutrients we get per serving. This is just the conclusion I have come to after the months and months of intensive research I have done. I know that there are some parts on the business side of things that can be hindering to some people. All I know is that these foods work and have healed thousands of people who have tried many different avenues including juicing, veganism, all natural supplements, medicine, ect…To me a testimony is more powerful than anything and I have heard and seen with my own eyes the validity of how powerful Sunrider foods are. Have you ever thought about starting off just with the Calli tea? Each tea bag makes one gallon of water which you drink throughout the day, so considering that, it is a great value and very affordable! It can replace any other beverage, teas, coffee, juices, milk, ect…so many actually save money because they don’t buy their expensive coffees or fruit juices. Just a thought. I have some friends who started off on calli tea and nuplus and cut back on other areas of their budget and they are so thankful because they feel the difference already. Good luck on your 120 day fat loss competition! Thats great you are doing that and encouraging your friends and family alongside you. I hope you will give Sunrider a try, you won’t be dissapointed! :)

        • Earth-G

          Absolutely right Jessica! Sunrider is not on trial!

          • http://www.40daydetox.com Ali Zaidi

            Jessica, thanks for the recommendation to try Sunrider products. I think I may well do so despite my discomfort with Sunrider’s business model. In my post I haven’t knocked Sunrider products as I haven’t tried them over an extended period of time. I think I shall try some in the last month of my 120 day fat loss experiment.

            Earth G and Jessica, which products do you recommend to aid in fat loss… and which do you recommend that has the power to convert my negative perspective on Sunrider?

          • http://www.facebook.com/jeramiah2911 Jessica Lopez

            Hi Ali,
            I would love to help you out and recommend some products for you. One very powerful thing that I have learned is it is important for all of us to have the mindset and goal to get healthy to lose weight, not to lose weight in order to get healthy. A healthy functioning, balanced body does not hold on to excess fat and weight, it just doesn’t happen. One reason yo-yo dieting and special diet “foods” (like the frozen lean cuisines, weight watchers ect..), don’t work is because they are usually loaded with chemicals, preservatives, and artificial junk, which are all toxic. As a part of a survival mechanism, our ingeniously created bodies surround the toxins with fat and hide them away to protect our visceral (major) organs from being damaged and dying. What is crazy is that our bodies can make an ENDLESS supply of fat cells! This means, all of those “low-fat, sugar-free”, yet chemically laiden special diet foods, in the long run are making all of us fatter.

            The key is to get our bodies functioning properly and balanced between all of the systems to flush out those stored toxins so our body can release the fat it has been holding onto in order to survive. It can be overwhelming to think about all of the functions, systems, processes, hormones, ect that go into being healthy. This is where the beauty of the Sunrider foods comes in. All of the thousands of years of research has been done to create the perfect combination of herbal foods at the best quality and concentration to nourish, balance, and cleanse our bodies. What I would recommend, which is the recommendation for everyone to start is a Starter sunpack. This would give you a small sample of all of the Sunrider basics: Calli Tea, Nuplus, and Quinary as well as fortune delight, sunbreeze oil, and sunnydew stevia. You then have the option to become a “V.I.P” customer where you would save 10% on all of your further purchases, or an “IBO” where you would save 20% on all of your purchases. If you want to start slower, I would recommend you starting with the Cali tea (1 bag diluted in 1 gallon of water per day) and the Regular No Beans Nuplus (3 scoops a day or more is optimal, but eat whatever budget allows). As you may know balanced blood sugar is a huge part of weight loss and increased energy and stamina, the Sunnydew Stevia is one of my favorites as an all natural sweetener that feeds the pancreas to stabilize blood sugar and secrete digestive enzymes to improve digestion. If you are on a “low carb” diet, I am guessing your fiber intake is low and regular digestion is probably an issue. The fortune delight is wonderful at flushing fat out of the body and cleaning out the colon gently by cleansing the blood and feeding the digestive system.
            Feel free to email me with any questions: mrs.jlopez34@gmail.com and check out my site at http://www.lifesnaturalpleasures.com where I have some real life testimonies and a short powerpoint to describe the basics of the Sunrider foods. I promise, all of my advice and opinion comes from an honest heart. I have seen these foods do miracles in my body and some of my friends and family. I have a huge passion for helping people in my profession as an R.N. and that is all I want to do, spread the exciting news about what these foods do for the human body. Let me know if you want any help ordering of if you have any questions, I would be happy to help!

          • http://www.40daydetox.com Ali Zaidi

            Hey Jessica,

            That’s a nice way to look at weight gain and health, but do you not think that even a healthy body that consumes excessive amounts of food will store the excess energy as fat? Isn’t putting on fat a way for the body to prepare for when times get tough and therefore an important survival function. It’s just that with today’s ample food supply it becomes a a nuisance…

            I have heard this before… I have heard that even low calorie artificial sweeteners encourage fat gain. It’s a subject I’ll need to look into in more detail at some point.

            Thanks for the recommendations. I’ll stay away from the IBO and other options for now – seeing as I’m skeptical of Sunrider’s business side of things. But I’ll look into the costs involved and look into making an order in a couple of months time towards my fat loss experiment.

            As for fibre, well I’m eating a lot of vegetables raw, so imagine I’m getting plenty of fibre. But it seems the excessive meat consumption is slowing down my bowel movements as you guessed. When I did the detox the opposite was true…

          • http://www.facebook.com/jeramiah2911 Jessica Lopez

            Hey Ali
            I definitely agree with you that when food is eaten in excess it can be stored as fat. Overeating puts stress on the body and organs and when we don’t burn it and use the energy, it can be stored as fat. As far as storing it for a survival function…this is the explanation for why when you go on a very low calorie diet, or restricted diet and lose weight, then when you start eating regular again you gain it all back and then some. The body’s metabolism slows waaay down and as soon as it gets food, it holds onto it for dear life to prevent starvation again in the future. This is why fad diets usually never work.

            As far as artificial sweeteners…not only do they cause fat and weight gain but they literally destroy the body and the organs that we need to be functioning for survival and to regulate metabolism and increase weight loss when needed. They are neurotoxins that kill our brain cells, mess up our thyroid gland, and wreak havoc on our digestive system. https://lifesnaturalpleasures.wordpress.com/healthy-living/artificial-sweeteners-splenda-aspartame-saccharin-high-fructose-corn-syrup-splenda/ Here is a research article I did on some of the common artificial sweeteners.
            I agree that you should definitely experience the benefits of the Sunrider foods for yourself before looking into the IBO part. As of March 1st the business plan is changing, you might want to take a look at that in the future. You can find a description on the Sunrider website.

            And as far as bowel movements go…that is great your getting in a lot of raw vegetables. That will help not only with the fiber, but to balance out the pH in your blood from all of the acidic meat. I’m not sure if you are familiar with the acid-alkaline balance within the body, but it is very very important to keep healthy and trim. Doing some green vegetable smoothies would help with the bowel movements. For me, I tried everything from diet, fluids, exercise, and the only thing that has helped me is the Fortune Delight from Sunrider and now I am very regular. I promise I am not saying that to hype it up, its really what I have experienced.
            Good luck on everything Ali, I would love to help you out if you ever have any questions. Nutrition and natural health is my passion. :)

          • http://twitter.com/ZenLove9 Zen Love

            Hi Ali! Hope you, and Naadira are very well. With regard to your question on fat loss. I recommend that you start on the basic foods. But remember that you can only loose fat by burning it in your muscles. The Fortune Delight is a good place to start. It flushes out fat from your blood cells. All Sunrider foods work at the cellular level. Indeed, to have optimum health one needs to high nutrition, and efficient cleansing. There are good fats, such as essential fats. or EFAs, and there are bad fats, such as the ones you get from eating trans fat (margarine) sugar, dairy, hydrogenated fats, hydrolyzed oils (made from inedible vegetables). They make this into a brown paste, and use it as a filler in Supermarket foods.
            Sunriders’ Slim Caps are excellent for braking down fats, but this product should only be taken intermittently, two weeks on, and two weeks off. It is the only Sunrider product that is not recommended for you to take indefinitely.

            The Sunrider product that will nourish your body back to balance are the basic foods. Nuplus, Quinary, and Calli. These you can purchase in a SunPack: Code: 00011
            In this Sunpack, you will get 2 ten packs of Calli Tea, 3 ten packs of Fortune Delight, 2 ten packs of NuPlus, 1 bottle of Quinary, and 1 Shaker bottle. You may purchase these directly from Sunrider by joining as a Customer. As I am the person who introduced you to Sunrider , you will need to have my details to join, which is: Earth G Seasun-Moonstar, and email: info@earthg.co.uk No commitment for you to become an IBO, and membership is free. If you need support, please do not hesitate to contact me.
            Bless!

    • Earth-G

      Hi Jessica! I thank you for sharing your experiences with Ali! I have also read your story and I congratulate you on your efforts to help others based on your experience. I remember a quote from Oscar Wild, ” Nothing that is worth learning can ever be taught”, and you have proven that.

      I am the IBO who introduced Ali to Sunrider, and invited him to the Product Fair, that he, his wife, and a friend attended. You would have read my reply to some of Ali’s comments. Please excuse the spelling mistakes, and mis-placed grammer. As you have read, I have been an IBO with Sunrider since 1996, so if I can be of any help to you, please do not hesitate to ask. Best wishes!

      • http://www.facebook.com/jeramiah2911 Jessica Lopez

        Hi Earth-G,
        Sorry I just saw this comment. Thank you so much for your support and encouragement, I really appreciate it! :)

  • Earth-G

    Ali, Ali Ali! Let me help you. Your body does not burn muscle. It burns fat inside the muscle. Your brain is fed on Glucose. Sixty-seven percent of the Glucose that goes into your body is required to feed your brain. If you go on a high protein diet, and a low carbohydrate diet, your body will cannibalize muscle tissue after one day, and start removing the Nitrogen from the
    muscle tissue which is made up of Carbon, Hydrogen, Nitrogen, and Oxygen. Glucose is made up of Corbon, Hydrogen, and Oxygen, and so is fat. Therefore you loose weight because you loose muscle tissue, which has a higher density than fat.

    I am amazed That you would recommend that people use washing up liquid to clean their vegetables instead of Sunriders’ FRUIT & VEGETABLE RINSE! Which washing up liquid to you use that is edible. Please tell me. I have be using Sunriders’ FRUIT & VEGETABLE RINSE since 1996, and from my experience, there is nothing in the Supermarkets that can even come close.
    I thank Jessica for her comments!

    When Istarted consuming Suriders’ magnificent, and amazing concentrated herbal foods, I was not suffering from any symptoms. I am just a health freak. My health comes first, whatever the cost, and, I have to say that given the quality and nutritional value of Sunriders’ products, the price is cheap. As a Professional Health Coach, it is vitally important to me that i practice what i preach. It took approximately six months for me to notice the rich benifits that my body was gaining from Sunriders’ concentrated herbal foods. Why? Bcause my body was aready experinencing some balance. I was taking care of my health. Everyones experience with Sunrider will be different relative to where they are at mentally, physically, and spirtually. I can say without reservation that Sunriders’ CONCETRATED HERBAL FOODS, SKINCARE, AND COSMETICS are abosulute, second to none! Between my wife and I we use mostly Sunriders’ products. We both can boast optimum health.

    Now, you accuse Dr. Chen of running a Pyramid Scam. This system is illegal accross the atlantic. Sunrider has been in existence since 1982. They have the Halal Certificate, which is renewable every year, and the Jewish Kosah award, and they have won many awards for producing the most amazing products that supports the human system in every way possible. They are high nutrition. To date, they are in forty-three countries aroud the world. Do you not think that someone would have stopped them by now? Let me ask you this, isn’t the Pyramid an absolute Law of the Universe? Take your family. Who is at the head of your family. Take Government. What do you have? Do you have all the Conservative MPs claiming to be bosses giving out the order. Lets look at Nature. Have you studied the Ants? Have you studied the Bees. Have you looked in the Jungle? The whole of life is a Pyramid. I have a feeling that the Egyyptian realized this, that one of thereason why the built those magnificent Pyramids!! But that is another discussion.

    Jessica is absolutely right. Instead of making assumptions, you and your family try the products. Millions of people around the world can not be wrong, and we are still helping millions to grow health and wealth.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9ijQt5llOU
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QJ3zV_HCk0
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gF6Yibc6NNE
    Would it be OK to invite you to watch these three clips.
    I hope you will find them helpful.

    I wish you and your family health, peace, and happiness!

    If Dr. Chen have been running a Pyramid Scam,

    • Earth-G

      Please excuse my typing errors.

      • http://www.40daydetox.com Ali Zaidi

        Earth G thanks for sharing your wonderful insights into the consequences of going on a low carbohydrate diet. I’m not sure which post it’s in response to. However over the last month I have been eating lean protein with cooked or raw vegetables. I try to avoid most starchy carbohydrates altogether. The vegetables I eat include: onions, green chillies, garlic, bell peppers, jalapeños, carrots, cucumbers, tomatoes, lettuce, green and red cabbage, watercress, spinach, fresh lemon juice, sweetcorn, garden peas, celery, leeks, spring onions, olives, mushrooms, courgettes, egg plant, cauliflower, broccoli, wild rocket, okra and anything else I can get my hands on. I’m not sure how “low carbohydrate” eating these vegetables actually are? My fat loss progress can be seen on this chart: https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AmXl7JN7kXArdEdBTjZ0bGRiTlRMaXdXa0JobklmclE&hl=en#gid=1

        As you can see from the chart despite my BIA scales showing that I have hit a brick wall in body fat percentage at around 17%, my waist size continues to decrease in size as does my calculated body fat according to the results from this web page: http://home.fuse.net/clymer/bmi/

        If I do find myself hitting a brick wall even in waist size (visceral fat), then I shall take your comment into consideration and increase my intake of carbohydrate to see if it makes a difference.

        Yes you’re totally right about the brain running on glucose, and I must confess that my brain does feel quite cranky compared to the clarity I experienced during the 40 day detox. I do occasionally eat fruit high in vitamin C though, like lychees, kiwi, oranges and grape fruit. But not as much as I would normally.

        As for using washing up liquid to wash vegetables that would all depend on what kind of washing up liquid one uses. I didn’t specify. If someone is using a non-toxic organic one like this: http://www.organically-speaking.co.uk/Organically-Speaking-Earth-Friendly-Natural-Almond-washing-up-liquid-d232b0b (750ml for £3.99) then what I said still stands true. If one is using commercial washing up liquid – well if one considers it good enough for the utensils one is using, then how different would it be to use it to wash the skins of vegetables? It will be rinsed of the liquid just like the plate. However if one considers it problematic, then the question would be, why use it as a dish washer either? Perhaps one should move to an alternative? Another option which I failed to mention in the blog post is to follow the natural instructions here: http://www.ehow.com/how_4497214_clean-chemicals-off-fruits-vegetables.html (i.e. the use of salt and lemon). My point is that there are so many far more economical ways and organic alternatives to the £26.66 for 475ml SunSmile® Fruit & Vegetable Rinse. Imagine seeing the Sunrider product in your local Wilkinson’s.. it simply would not sell at £26.66 for 475ml! No one in their right mind would pay that kind of price to rinse your vegetables regardless how good the product might be! You’d be better off spending that money on increasing one’s consumption of organic fruit and vegetables rather than trying to superficially clean the pesticides off commercially farmed fruit and veg.

        I can’t comment on the quality of Sunrider’s products, it’s possible that they are as amazing as you believe… despite that, I still think the products are over priced.

        Did you read the link to the FTC alert I quoted? It’s here: http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/alerts/alt057.shtm

        To me the description it gives of dodgy MLMs fits like a glove for Sunrider, with a few exceptions.

        The halal certificate and kosher award mean nothing as far as the business side of Sunrider goes. And as Sunrider products are vegetarian anyway its not hard to get a Halal certificate for one’s products. These certificates do not say anything about Sunrider’s business structure or practices – just their products.

        Just because something is successful and and has a multinational presence doesn’t mean that they are completely ethical or free from “sin”. I mean there are many large corporations which rape the earth – they are so large because they do rape the earth. So Sunrider’s large size is not proof of them being all round wonderful as you try to claim. Their wonderful products doesn’t mean that they should be able to charge an arm and a leg for the products. That’s the main issue here for me, their pricing and their business structure and practices. As far as I am concerned they fit the FTC warning like a glove. That’s the real issue here.

        Yes pyramid structures are everywhere. But I prefer not to be part of them if I can avoid it. And if I have to be part of a pyramid I’d rather be at the top, rather than be someone’s else’s underling. That’s just a personal preference. But again your confusing pyramid structures with what I have a real problem with. I have already mentioned in my blog post that I don’t have a problem with earning commission in a tiered structure. My problems with Sunrider are (I’ll repeat it again):
        1) extortionate pricing; 2) not having enough faith in one’s pricing to be able to sell the products side by side with other brands on a shop floor; 3) the need to contribute €100 to €200 per month to be eligible for commission 4) an emphasis on finding other distributors who will also pay €100 to €200 per month into the pot, or sorry buy €100 to €200 worth of products every month.

        And finally Earth G, is their an exit strategy? If you wanted to retire one day, could you sell your business onto someone else? Or are you trapped for life? Or what if you discover another company, that rewards you more generously for distributing their products, could you make the move after selling the business you have built all these years? For example I know someone who swears by the quality of Sunrider’s products and uses them to this day, but after spending 18 years as an IBO he moved over to working with another company (http://www.isagenix.com/us/en/home.dhtml).

        Thanks for the videos I’ll check them out.

        • http://www.40daydetox.com Ali Zaidi

          I’ve just been looking into your perspective on a low carbohydrate diet. It seems your perspective, is just that a perspective. Here is another: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-carbohydrate_diet

        • Zen Love

          Hi Ali!
          It is such a pleasure to be sharing with you on your blog.

          Your diet is good. From what you have shared with me, you are eating mostly alkaline forming foods, and that is good. Your body’s alkalinity should be between 7.35 – 7.45. If it’s below or above this range, this means symptoms and disease. A pH of 7.0 is neutral. If your pH is below 7 your body is acidic.

          When your body becomes acidic that stems from an acid forming diet, emotional stress, toxic overload, and or immune reactions, or any process that deprive your cells of oxygen and other nutrients. Your body will try to compensate for acidic pH by using alkaline minerals. If your diet does not contain enough minerals to compensate, a build up of acids in the cells will occur. This is what causes water retention, among other disease.
          http://www.centre-of-health.com

          When you have an acidic balance in your body, it decreases your body’s ability to absorb minerals and other nutrients, decreases the energy product in your cells, decrease your cells ability to repair damaged cells, decrease your cells ability to detoxify heavy metals, make tumour cells thrive, and make you more susceptible to fatigue and illness. If your blood pH is 6.9, this is only slightly acidic, but it can induce coma and death.
          http://www.centre-of-health.com

          Our bodies have a natural lean/fat ratio, which varies with individuals. It could mean that when you hit that brick wall, which I would not refer to as a brick wall, but a natural state of balance, your body had reached its natural lean/fat ratio.
          http://www.centre-of-health.com

          I commend your focus, and would very much like to know from your perspective, what is the purpose of this exercise? What are you aiming to achieve?

          A body that is in perfect balance should run like a river, cleansing all the time, because everyday your body releases five-hundred to eight hundred billion dead cells. This is why Sunrider concentrated herbal foods are perfect for your body. They are pre-digested, and they support balance. Anyone who understands the body will tell you that the foods you eat are not the miracle. It is the cells of your body that are the miracle of intelligence. One year from now you will have whole new body. The question is, will your cells be regenerating strongly, or will they be degenerating? Plant foods cause cancer cells to degenerate. Animal products cause cancer cells to mutate.

          What I have said above should help you to understand why using ordinary washing-up liquid to clean plates that you put your foods on and eat, is not a good idea, because of the acidity that you might absorb from those products.

          Since Sunrider started in 1982, Dr Chen has been very conscious about making his products affordable to Customers, as well as IBOs, as you can see from the recent Business Plan Summary. He knew that if he is asking people to switch brands, and buy from his Healthy Supermarket, his prices would have to be competitive. He also knew that the quality of his products would have to be superior

          From my experience, I find Sunrider prices very cheap. For example, one ten pack of Calli Tea, or Fortune Delight is at present costing £5.60 inclu. VAT (Prices go up or down relative to the strength of the £, and how much profit IBOs. or Customers are able to make on retailing products). So this means that one tea bag, or one sachet of Fortune Delight is costing 56P. Given that one tea bag of Calli, or one sachet of Fortune Delight makes six mugs, or up to two litres of beverage, you are paying 56P for six mugs, or up to 2 litres of tea, or Fortune Delight. I do not know of any place where I can buy six mugs of tea for 56P. Not only that, I do not know of any place that I can buy tea that supports the cleansing of my one-hundred-trillion cells in my body, enabling my body to maintain balance at that price.
          My wife and I have a three Litre stainless steel pump thermos in which we put one sachet of Fortune Delight, and one Calli tea bag, and fill it up with hot water. We like to mix the Calli and the Fortune Delight. Relative to how much we drink throughout the day, this sometimes last us for a couple of days. It sometimes goes cold before we are able to finish it, so we either have it cold, or warm it up. If you have a big family, this is an ideal way to share Sunrider Concentrated Herbal Foods with your family.
          We have already established that the pyramid structure is a natural law of life, and you said that you do not like the business structure of Sunrider. But 98% of the population, by the time they get to 60 or 65, are either dead, or dead broke. The other 2% have financial freedom.
          Now let’s put this into some perspective. Say some of the 98% have the desire, and commitment to move up to the 2%, and they do not have a huge capital to begin with. They start looking around at possibilities. They see that the economy is in recession. They see that people are being made redundant left, right, and centre. They look at their bank balance and see that they don’t have enough money to invest in any of the established business models such as Stocks and Shares, Property investments, buying a Franchise, opening a Retail business, and if they did, it would still be a big risk. What hope would you give to those people? Every year 9 out of 10 university graduates fail to find a job. What hope do you give to those graduates who can’t find a job?
          The Direct Marketing Business Model is the Business Model of the 21st century. Richard Bronson realized that, and has now bought into it. It is the only business model that can meet 99% of any person’s needs. It boast more millionaires than any other business model, and with the right skills and training, it gives non-graduates, undergraduates, and graduates the opportunity to build a six, and seven figure income working from home. More importantly, they do not need a huge capital to set up their Franchise like business working from home. Production, distribution, Research and Development, Packaging, Accounting, Recognisable branding etc., are all taken care of. They just need to have desire, commitment, self-motivation, team spirit, and dependability.
          http://www.centre-of-health.com
          Yes, if you wanted to retire from Sunrider you are able negotiate with Sunrider on the best course of action to take in your interest as well as Sunriders’ interest. As you can appreciate, not everyone has the aptitude for business, or business acumen to run an established business. One of my colleagues did inherit his Father’s Sunrider Business.
          I know people who are earning six figure incomes with Sunrider, and I am sure that none of them consider themselves to be Dr Chen’s underling. I certainly do not consider myself to be Dr Chen’s underling.
          http://www.centre-of-health.com

          Hi Ali!
          It is such a pleasure to be sharing with you on your blog.

          Your diet is good. From what you have shared with me, you are eating mostly alkaline forming foods, and that is good. Your body’s alkalinity should be between 7.35 – 7.45. If it’s below or above this range, this means symptoms and disease. A pH of 7.0 is neutral. If your pH is below 7 your body is acidic.

          When your body becomes acidic that stems from an acid forming diet, emotional stress, toxic overload, and or immune reactions, or any process that deprive your cells of oxygen and other nutrients. Your body will try to compensate for acidic pH by using alkaline minerals. If your diet does not contain enough minerals to compensate, a build up of acids in the cells will occur. This is what causes water retention, among other disease.
          http://www.centre-of-health.com

          When you have an acidic balance in your body, it decreases your body’s ability to absorb minerals and other nutrients, decreases the energy product in your cells, decrease your cells ability to repair damaged cells, decrease your cells ability to detoxify heavy metals, make tumour cells thrive, and make you more susceptible to fatigue and illness. If your blood pH is 6.9, this is only slightly acidic, but it can induce coma and death.
          http://www.centre-of-health.com

          Our bodies have a natural lean/fat ratio, which varies with individuals. It could mean that when you hit that brick wall, which I would not refer to as a brick wall, but a natural state of balance, your body had reached its natural lean/fat ratio.
          http://www.centre-of-health.com

          I commend your focus, and would very much like to know from your perspective, what is the purpose of this exercise? What are you aiming to achieve?

          A body that is in perfect balance should run like a river, cleansing all the time, because everyday your body releases five-hundred to eight hundred billion dead cells. This is why Sunrider concentrated herbal foods are perfect for your body. They are pre-digested, and they support balance. Anyone who understands the body will tell you that the foods you eat are not the miracle. It is the cells of your body that are the miracle of intelligence. One year from now you will have whole new body. The question is, will your cells be regenerating strongly, or will they be degenerating? Plant foods cause cancer cells to degenerate. Animal products cause cancer cells to mutate.

          What I have said above should help you to understand why using ordinary washing-up liquid to clean plates that you put your foods on and eat, is not a good idea, because of the acidity that you might absorb from those products.

          Since Sunrider started in 1982, Dr Chen has been very conscious about making his products affordable to Customers, as well as IBOs, as you can see from the recent Business Plan Summary. He knew that if he is asking people to switch brands, and buy from his Healthy Supermarket, his prices would have to be competitive. He also knew that the quality of his products would have to be superior

          From my experience, I find Sunrider prices very cheap. For example, one ten pack of Calli Tea, or Fortune Delight is at present costing £5.60 inclu. VAT (Prices go up or down relative to the strength of the £, and how much profit IBOs. or Customers are able to make on retailing products). So this means that one tea bag, or one sachet of Fortune Delight is costing 56P. Given that one tea bag of Calli, or one sachet of Fortune Delight makes six mugs, or up to two litres of beverage, you are paying 56P for six mugs, or up to 2 litres of tea, or Fortune Delight. I do not know of any place where I can buy six mugs of tea for 56P. Not only that, I do not know of any place that I can buy tea that supports the cleansing of my one-hundred-trillion cells in my body, enabling my body to maintain balance at that price.
          My wife and I have a three Litre stainless steel pump thermos in which we put one sachet of Fortune Delight, and one Calli tea bag, and fill it up with hot water. We like to mix the Calli and the Fortune Delight. Relative to how much we drink throughout the day, this sometimes last us for a couple of days. It sometimes goes cold before we are able to finish it, so we either have it cold, or warm it up. If you have a big family, this is an ideal way to share Sunrider Concentrated Herbal Foods with your family.
          We have already established that the pyramid structure is a natural law of life, and you said that you do not like the business structure of Sunrider. But 98% of the population, by the time they get to 60 or 65, are either dead, or dead broke. The other 2% have financial freedom.
          Now let’s put this into some perspective. Say some of the 98% have the desire, and commitment to move up to the 2%, and they do not have a huge capital to begin with. They start looking around at possibilities. They see that the economy is in recession. They see that people are being made redundant left, right, and centre. They look at their bank balance and see that they don’t have enough money to invest in any of the established business models such as Stocks and Shares, Property investments, buying a Franchise, opening a Retail business, and if they did, it would still be a big risk. What hope would you give to those people? Every year 9 out of 10 university graduates fail to find a job. What hope do you give to those graduates who can’t find a job?
          The Direct Marketing Business Model is the Business Model of the 21st century. Richard Bronson realized that, and has now bought into it. It is the only business model that can meet 99% of any person’s needs. It boast more millionaires than any other business model, and with the right skills and training, it gives non-graduates, undergraduates, and graduates the opportunity to build a six, and seven figure income working from home. More importantly, they do not need a huge capital to set up their Franchise like business working from home. Production, distribution, Research and Development, Packaging, Accounting, Recognisable branding etc., are all taken care of. They just need to have desire, commitment, self-motivation, team spirit, and dependability.
          http://www.centre-of-health.com
          Yes, if you wanted to retire from Sunrider you are able negotiate with Sunrider on the best course of action to take in your interest as well as Sunriders’ interest. As you can appreciate, not everyone has the aptitude for business, or business acumen to run an established business. One of my colleagues did inherit his Father’s Sunrider Business.
          I know people who are earning six figure incomes with Sunrider, and I am sure that none of them consider themselves to be Dr Chen’s underling. I certainly do not consider myself to be Dr Chen’s underling.
          http://www.centre-of-health.com

          Hi Ali!
          It is such a pleasure to be sharing with you on your blog.

          Your diet is good. From what you have shared with me, you are eating mostly alkaline forming foods, and that is good. Your body’s alkalinity should be between 7.35 – 7.45. If it’s below or above this range, this means symptoms and disease. A pH of 7.0 is neutral. If your pH is below 7 your body is acidic.

          When your body becomes acidic that stems from an acid forming diet, emotional stress, toxic overload, and or immune reactions, or any process that deprive your cells of oxygen and other nutrients. Your body will try to compensate for acidic pH by using alkaline minerals. If your diet does not contain enough minerals to compensate, a build up of acids in the cells will occur. This is what causes water retention, among other disease.
          http://www.centre-of-health.com

          When you have an acidic balance in your body, it decreases your body’s ability to absorb minerals and other nutrients, decreases the energy product in your cells, decrease your cells ability to repair damaged cells, decrease your cells ability to detoxify heavy metals, make tumour cells thrive, and make you more susceptible to fatigue and illness. If your blood pH is 6.9, this is only slightly acidic, but it can induce coma and death.
          http://www.centre-of-health.com

          Our bodies have a natural lean/fat ratio, which varies with individuals. It could mean that when you hit that brick wall, which I would not refer to as a brick wall, but a natural state of balance, your body had reached its natural lean/fat ratio.
          http://www.centre-of-health.com

          I commend your focus, and would very much like to know from your perspective, what is the purpose of this exercise? What are you aiming to achieve?

          A body that is in perfect balance should run like a river, cleansing all the time, because everyday your body releases five-hundred to eight hundred billion dead cells. This is why Sunrider concentrated herbal foods are perfect for your body. They are pre-digested, and they support balance. Anyone who understands the body will tell you that the foods you eat are not the miracle. It is the cells of your body that are the miracle of intelligence. One year from now you will have whole new body. The question is, will your cells be regenerating strongly, or will they be degenerating? Plant foods cause cancer cells to degenerate. Animal products cause cancer cells to mutate.

          What I have said above should help you to understand why using ordinary washing-up liquid to clean plates that you put your foods on and eat, is not a good idea, because of the acidity that you might absorb from those products.

          Since Sunrider started in 1982, Dr Chen has been very conscious about making his products affordable to Customers, as well as IBOs, as you can see from the recent Business Plan Summary. He knew that if he is asking people to switch brands, and buy from his Healthy Supermarket, his prices would have to be competitive. He also knew that the quality of his products would have to be superior

          From my experience, I find Sunrider prices very cheap. For example, one ten pack of Calli Tea, or Fortune Delight is at present costing £5.60 inclu. VAT (Prices go up or down relative to the strength of the £, and how much profit IBOs. or Customers are able to make on retailing products). So this means that one tea bag, or one sachet of Fortune Delight is costing 56P. Given that one tea bag of Calli, or one sachet of Fortune Delight makes six mugs, or up to two litres of beverage, you are paying 56P for six mugs, or up to 2 litres of tea, or Fortune Delight. I do not know of any place where I can buy six mugs of tea for 56P. Not only that, I do not know of any place that I can buy tea that supports the cleansing of my one-hundred-trillion cells in my body, enabling my body to maintain balance at that price.
          My wife and I have a three Litre stainless steel pump thermos in which we put one sachet of Fortune Delight, and one Calli tea bag, and fill it up with hot water. We like to mix the Calli and the Fortune Delight. Relative to how much we drink throughout the day, this sometimes last us for a couple of days. It sometimes goes cold before we are able to finish it, so we either have it cold, or warm it up. If you have a big family, this is an ideal way to share Sunrider Concentrated Herbal Foods with your family.
          We have already established that the pyramid structure is a natural law of life, and you said that you do not like the business structure of Sunrider. But 98% of the population, by the time they get to 60 or 65, are either dead, or dead broke. The other 2% have financial freedom.
          Now let’s put this into some perspective. Say some of the 98% have the desire, and commitment to move up to the 2%, and they do not have a huge capital to begin with. They start looking around at possibilities. They see that the economy is in recession. They see that people are being made redundant left, right, and centre. They look at their bank balance and see that they don’t have enough money to invest in any of the established business models such as Stocks and Shares, Property investments, buying a Franchise, opening a Retail business, and if they did, it would still be a big risk. What hope would you give to those people? Every year 9 out of 10 university graduates fail to find a job. What hope do you give to those graduates who can’t find a job?
          The Direct Marketing Business Model is the Business Model of the 21st century. Richard Bronson realized that, and has now bought into it. It is the only business model that can meet 99% of any person’s needs. It boast more millionaires than any other business model, and with the right skills and training, it gives non-graduates, undergraduates, and graduates the opportunity to build a six, and seven figure income working from home. More importantly, they do not need a huge capital to set up their Franchise like business working from home. Production, distribution, Research and Development, Packaging, Accounting, Recognisable branding etc., are all taken care of. They just need to have desire, commitment, self-motivation, team spirit, and dependability.
          http://www.centre-of-health.com
          Yes, if you wanted to retire from Sunrider you are able negotiate with Sunrider on the best course of action to take in your interest as well as Sunriders’ interest. As you can appreciate, not everyone has the aptitude for business, or business acumen to run an established business. One of my colleagues did inherit his Father’s Sunrider Business.
          I know people who are earning six figure incomes with Sunrider, and I am sure that none of them consider themselves to be Dr Chen’s underling. I certainly do not consider myself to be Dr Chen’s underling.
          http://www.centre-of-health.com

  • http://twitter.com/ZenLove9 Zen Love

    Hi Jessica!
    How are you?

    Thank you for responding to me!
    Yes, I am the same Earth-G.
    You are welcome to my support any time.
    Bless!

    • Hzual

       Hi, Mafaka from India here, I want to Joint Sunrider as an IBO, but could not find myself an introducer or upline, I need help. My address is H. LALFAKZUALA, D.C Complex, Dinthar, Mamit, Mizoram, India-796441, email- hzual@yahoo.com.

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